Israel…..Apartheid?


Do the actions of Israel make them an apartheid state?

Judging from your other questions, you already seem to know the answer (or at least think so). But I won’t give up easily and will give it a try anyway.

About 20% of Israel’s populations are Arabs, and they are NOT oppressed! In fact, they have the same rights, but fewer obligations than Jews. They have free access to every education and any job, same as Jews do, enjoy free speech, are represented in the Knesset (parliament), serve in national institutions (one Supreme Court Justice is Arab) and so on.

They CLAIM to be oppressed, because, on average, they do have worse education, earn less and have higher child mortality, for example. However, the gap between them and the Jewish population is narrower than similar gaps in Western Europe, between its native population and “Muslims” (Arabs in France, Turks in Germany, Pakistanis in England…). If this is a justification to call it “apartheid”, then most of the world does it.

A different situation is with the “Palestinians” (here I mean the non-Israeli Arab population in what is commonly referred as the “West Bank” and Gaza): they are not Israeli citizens, but actually citizens of an enemy entity. They are not treated same as Israelis (Jewish or not), obviously, because they are not entitled to same treatment, no more than Iraqis are entitled to same treatment by the USA as American citizens. No country in the world treats foreign citizens, especially not enemies, same as its own. If this is a reason to call Israel “apartheid state”, then, consequently, you should call EVERY country in the world “apartheid state”. Otherwise, it IS bigotry.

No place today called Palestine. That sort of demolishes your premise in asking this question.

It is mainly in the past few decades that “Palestinian” has been co-opted by the Arabs, as if the name belongs exclusively to them, pretending to have a long history and independent national identity. Until 1967, most of those who now call themselves Palestinians were reasonably happy with their Jordanian citizenship and with calling themselves “Jordanians.” Even today, there is strong support among the “Palestinian” majority of Jordan for their Hashemite monarchy, though King Abdullah relies on his Bedouin troops when he needs absolute loyalty.

The use of a term like “Palestinian” without the suffix “Arab” and the term “Israeli-Occupied Palestine” have served to confuse the public into thinking that there has always been an independent “Palestinian” people which hasn’t been given the opportunity for self-determination. In fact, any such failure has been the fault of the government of Jordan, which covers the majority of what was once known as “Palestine” and in which the majority of Palestinian Arabs live.

“Palestinians” [are an] Arab people no one heard of before 1967 before Israeli governments certified this piece of propaganda… As has been noted many times before, prior to 1948, that is before Jews had begun to call themselves Israelis, the only persons known as “Palestinians” were Jews, with the Arabs much preferring to identify themselves as part of the great Arab nation.

The “apartheid” libel is unfortunate. Comes now former president Jimmy Carter with a new bestselling book, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid. It’s not clear what he means by using the loaded word “apartheid”, since the book makes no attempt to explain it, but the only reasonable interpretation is that Carter is comparing Israel to the former white racist government of South Africa. That is a foolish and unfair comparison, unworthy of the man who won – and deserved – the Nobel peace prize for bringing Israel and Egypt together in the Camp David Accords, and who has lent such lustre to the imaginary office of former president.

What’s the parallel? Apartheid had a philosophical component and a practical one, both quite bizarre. Philosophically, it was committed to the notion of racial superiority. No doubt many Israelis have racist attitudes towards Arabs, but the official philosophy of the government is quite the opposite, and sincere efforts are made to, for example, instill humanitarian and egalitarian attitudes in children. That is not true, of course, in Arab countries, where hatred of Jews is a standard part of the curriculum.

The practical component of apartheid involved the creation of phoney nations called “Bantustans”. Black South Africans would be stripped of their citizenship and assigned to far-away Bantustans where often they had never before set foot. The goal was a racially pure white South Africa, though the contradiction with the need for black labour was never resolved.

Yes i belive so but as they are proped up by the west over some percieved guilt during ww2 Nazi regime

i belive you will recieve no sympathy from the poster here as seen already in posts had you asked the question reference an islamic country the answers woud be rolling in remember your posting on a western site so be prepared for bigotry and abuse.

Regards

Ralph

The “source of your outrage” exists only in your propaganda-filled head.

Only to misogynists like you.

Israel is a racist state. It practices the same crimes that Hitler practised.

No————–but this is a question that someone’s mind could not be changed, it he (you) already has his mind made up.

Just ask any Palestinian. I think you’ll get your answer.

No, your question is so off the wall.

Of course not!

The term “Palestinian” is itself a masterful twisting of history. To portray themselves as indigenous, Arab settlers adopted the name of an ancient Mediterranean tribe, the Philistines (“Invaders” in Hebrew), that disappeared out over almost 3000 years ago. The connection between this tribe and modern day Arabs is nil. Romans, in order to conceal their shame and anger with rebellious regions, changed the references to Judea and Samaria by naming them Palestine.

1. Nationhood and Jerusalem – Israel became a nation in the 14th century B.C.E. Two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

2. Since 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for up to 1,000 years with a continuous Jewish presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

3. The only Arab dominion since the Arab invasion and conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

4. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.

5. For over 3,000 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray facing Mecca (often with their backs toward Jerusalem).

8. In 1854, according to a report in the New York Tribune, Jews constituted two-thirds of the population of that holy city. (The source: A journalist on assignment in the Middle East that year for the Tribune. His name was Karl Marx. Yes, that Karl Marx.)

9. In 1867, Mark Twain took a tour of Palestine. This is how he described that land: A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human.

10. In 1882, official Ottoman Turk census figures showed that, in the entire Land of Israel, there were only 141 000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab.

11. A travel guide to Palestine and Syria was published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker; The book estimated the total population of Jerusalem at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews.

12. As the Jews came and drained the swamps and made the deserts bloom, Arabs followed. They came for jobs, for prosperity, for freedom. And, they came in large numbers.

13. In 1922, with what was widely acknowledged as the illegal separation of Transjordan, the Jews were forbidden to settle on almost 77% of the Palestine, while Arab settlement went unrestricted and encouraged by British mandatory authority.

14. Prior to the Second World War Mojli Amin, a member of the Arab Defense Committee for Palestine, proposed the idea “that all the Arabs of Palestine will leave and be divided up amongst the neighboring Arab countries. In exchange for this, all the Jews living in Arab countries will leave and come to Palestine.”

15. Did you know that Saudi Arabia was not created until 1913, Lebanon until 1920? Iraq did not exist as a nation until 1932, Syria until 1941; the borders of Jordan were established in 1946 and Kuwait in 1961. Any of these nations that would say Israel is only a recent arrival would have to deny their own rights as recent arrivals as well. They did not exist as countries. They were all under the control of the Turks. Over 80% of the original British Mandate land was given to Arabs without population transfer of Arabs from the land designated for Jews.

16. In 1947, the Jewish state huddled on 18% of the original British Mandate land. The Jews accepted it gratefully. The Arabs rejected it with a vengeance and seven Arab states immediately declared war against Israel.

17. In 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Most of them left in fear of being killed by their own Arab brothers as traitors.

18. Some 850,000 Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab countries, due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

19. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is claimed to be around 630,000 (where did they get this number?). Based on population census, estimated number of Arabs who left Israel was around 460,000. They were ordered to leave by Arab leaders at the time.

20. From 1948 till 1967 Arabs made no attempt to create a Palestinian state. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated, 58 synagogues in Jerusalem were destroyed and the Jews and Christians were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

21. Arabs began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1964 only, on the initiative of Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat. The idea became popular Arab propaganda tool after Israel re-captured Judea, Samaria and Gaza in the defensive 6-Day War of 1967,

22. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, Arab-Palestinians is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples’ lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel.

23. Arab refugees INTENTIONALLY were not absorbed or integrated by the rich Arab oil states that control 99.9 percent of the Middle East landmass. They are kept as virtual prisoners by the Arab power brokers with misplaced hatred for Jews and Western democracy.

24. There is only one Jewish state. There are 60 Muslim countries, including 22 Arab nations.

25. The PLO’s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel.

26. Pan-Arabism or the doctrine of Muslim Caliphate declares that all land that used to belong to Muslims must be returned to them. Thus, Spain, for example, must eventually be re-conquered.

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