My mother has talked to her on the phone a few days ago. She sounds nice and responsible. We e-mailed her with info about our home. Asked what litters are coming/available. She sent us pictures of females ready to go and pictures of males just born 2 weeks ago. However, I just googled her name and a red flag has…
She’s got multiple litters this close together? No mention of a waiting list even (cause those pups should all be spoken for by now, heck before they were born even)?
Even the AKC admits that you need to check the quality of the breeders listed on their page as they can’t say them to be quality or not (thus why I prefer to get referrals from the breed’s parent club), and the majority of reputable breeders have no need to advertise.
If you were willing to part with a name people here may be able to give you more specific answers, but this sounds like someone I would avoid personally.
Be sure to ask the breeder the following:
1). What are the indigenous health problems in this breed? (Run if they say they don’t know, or “none”)
2). Are both parents of the litter health checked for these problems? Will the breeder give you copies of these certificates or reports?
3). What, if any, guarantees are offered and under what circumstances?
4). What traits does the breeder consider most important when planning a litter? (In other words, Temperament? Health? Conformation? Trainability? Etc.)
5). Which health problems has this breeder encountered the most over the years? (If they’ve bred several litters and they claim they’ve never had any problems, beware!)
6). Is the breeder willing to give references?
7). Do they show?- How many championships have they won? (If it’s a working breed of some sort trials for those can be acceptable as well)
If there are some 8 week old pups ready to go and some 2 week old males on the property right now the two females were bred pretty close together. While not something horribly alarming I personally don’t believe you can be dealing with 2 sets of pups like that during the same time period and I would worry in regards to the mental and physical care given to both sets of pups.
3 different breeds is a warning sign to me as I consider specializing in 1 breed is best, 2 I consider doable, but showing and knowing 3 different breeds at once is near impossible.
You also say there’s a $100 deposit, but how much total? Are you buying show quality or pet quality (and if she does not differentiate then RUN!)? How much does she charge for each? Show quality puppies usually start in the rage of $1,000 (health tests, showing, and other things required for properly breeding are not cheap!)
Plus tax? I have never heard of a reputable breeder taxing their dogs (even states that have the puppy tax require more than 2 litters a year be sold, which most breeders only have 1 or 2 litters a year anyway). Puppy mills do tax their pups, and sometimes the lower quality backyard breeders, but never have I seen a reputable breeder charge tax.
I would defiantly be weary of this person- No waiting list, more than 2 litters a year (and doubled up), lots of advertisements (many of which it sounds like are paid for- reputable breeders rarely even break even on pups), tax on the pups, no differentiation between show quality and pet quality, not registered with the breed parent clubs, breeding too many different breeds, and god knows what else- I say cross this woman off your list personally.
I also wonder- What has she asked you? Does she seem highly interested in your lifestyle and what you know about the breed? If not then just add it to the already long list of warning signs.
To the users “Yep”- That’s a rant not an answer.
Reputable breeders will take a dog back at any time if the new owner cannot keep it for any reason what so ever- Good breeders know they brought life into this world and are responsible for it till the end and most would have a fit to find any of their dogs in shelters.
Want to talk about the overpopulation issue? Go talk to the backyard breeders trying to get a quick buck, talk to the idiots purposely breeding mixed breeds to con people out of money, talk to the puppy mills breeding so many dogs in such horrible environments, and talk to the people who don’t bother with doing their research and are supporting any of these horrible establishments.
Rescues and shelters are nice, but I’ll continue to support good breeders doing things the right way because sometimes you can’t get the perfect dog for your life from a shelter (I enjoy my dog shows, predictability, and health tests thank you very much).
I would have no problem with backyard breeders IF they had the knowledge and commitment to breed healthy dogs and avoid genetic issues. The risk of genetic issues in a dog bred by a backyard breeder is no better than a puppy mill dog. In fact, it may be higher. Some puppy mill owners actually remove dogs with genetic issues from their breeding stock. A backyard breeder generally has no clue what genetic issues they need to be aware of. For example, in my breed there is a genetic eye condition that causes a dog to go blind. Symptoms can begin to appear when the dog is six years old or so. Old enough that the dog may have produced several litters. This gene is also X-linked, meaning it is on the part of the X-chromosome not matched up by the Y chromosome in males. This means that an affected male can be safely bred to a clear female, but a carrier female can never ethically be bred. I could exlain why, but it would take too long. Would a backyard breeder be aware that the female needs to be genetically screened by Optigen before breeding? No. Another example in my breed. Puppies that have retinal folds at eight weeks of age may be a carrier for a dwarfism gene. Those puppies should be genetically tested. There are all sorts of complicated issues like this that a responsible breeder will know about and act on. Where would a breeder get the kind of education so they would know about this? Where would a breeder get the information about what bloodlines tend to have what issues? Where would they learn that a certain prolific stud dog should not be doubled up on in a pedigree? Only by hanging out with other educated breeders, talking with them and learning. Where does this happen? Only among people who are breeding dogs for show. They also are avoiding structural problems that cause arthritis in their dogs. I don’t know how many poorly bred dogs, purebred and mixed, that I have seen lately with front feet turned so far out the dog can hardly walk. Many backyard breeders say their dogs don’t have problems and they have never produced problems. That is generally because they don’t check. They say each human carries the genetic material for about 7-9 serious genetic medical conditions. Dogs probably have more because they have more chromosomes. (Humans have 23 pairs, dogs have 39 pairs) The real value in going with a breeder who is also showing dogs is the tremendous amount of knowledge they and their fellow breeders have. They also aren’t making money breeding dogs. I know many show breeders and none of them are making a profit off their dogs. Showing is a very expensive sport. And a good breeder will spend several thousand dollars directly on each litter. The only people making money showing dogs are professional handlers. That’s because they are not breeding and showing, they are being paid by breeders to show the dogs.
Good breeders DO NOT pay money to advertise in Dog Fancy magazine. They have a waiting list and have NO reason to advertise nation wide. Also, an AKC breeder referral only lists people that sell AKC pups. That does not mean quality. If the breed club does not have her on a referral list, chances are she is not all that great. Most breeders DO belong to their breed club.
The breeder does not necessarily have to be on the National Breed Club website. I was researching breeders for a dog breed I am interested in. She is happily mentioned on other breeders’ websites who are members of that breed’s club, but she is not. She said it is because she doesn’t believe in the club’s politics.
However, I get the feeling anyone can sign up on the AKC website for breeder referral. (I saw a few breeders myself for beagles that made me raise an eyebrow.)
She is raising a red flag with me by a.) breeding 3 separate breeds (that means male terriers of one breed could accidentally mate with female terriers of another breed) and b.) “selling” herself like some cheap backyard breeder. The only way to be sure she is a good breeder is ask for proof of championship titles of the parents being bred (don’t buy the champion bloodline junk) and proof they are genetically free of disease.
There are some questions to ask… like how many different types of dogs does she breed? Responsible breeders usually focus on one or two… they don’t have 10 different kinds of dog breeds. That’s more of puppy mill behavior.
Can you see pictures of her kennel? Or even better.. can you visit?
Do the dogs have a show pedigree? Are you getting references from other breeders who have worked with her?
Like there is a famous breeder of toy poodles called Velvet Touch kennels… I’ve seen there ads everywhere, but I think they are a legitimate professional breeder and not a puppy mill. They have pictures of all their adult dogs and they appear healthy and well cared for. I’ve never inquired further, but just because it’s a famous kennel doesn’t mean it’s a bad breeder.
Ask how they care for their dogs, what kind of food they feed them, what kind of treats, how often they go in for vet care, what are the kennel structures like….
I wouldn’t get a pup from someone like that. Nice is besides the point. I like to get my dogs from breeders that are active in their breed, memeber of the parent club, out there showing and entering their dogs in performance events.
But, that’s me. And it’s up to you to decide.
Ask for professional references
Ask why she’s not a member of the breed club
Did your mother ask about genetic clearances? Health guarantee?
And honestly ask WHY she has so many ads
If she’s advertising on sites like puppyfind, next day pets, kijiji I would honestly go find someone through the breed club.
Sarah – plenty of breeders have WAITING lists so they don’t have put up advertisements because they already have buyers waiting.
Ask what genetic tests have been performed? If she has performed genetic tests ask for copies from the sire and mom. Genetic tests are OFA, CERF, Penn Hip, MSU, BAER….
If no genetic tests were performed then DO NOT BUY!!!!
Ask if she shows her dogs in conformation?
Ask how many champions she has?
Ask if she breeds her dogs to the breed standard?
Ask if she is a member of the parent club or an all breed club?
Your mom should go see the mother and the puppies.
Be very carful…I was going through something like that…I ended up losing $500! Only buy dogs if you can see them first never ever send money….after I lost $500 I tried again and eneded up getting what I want but I made sure the person was real I went to see them and everything…because when I lost my $500 I had talked to the person too…
I don’t see how thats a bad thing?? AKC referral? Thats great!! If she is being referred by the AKC she must be good. Also with the advertisements everywhere..how do you suppose she sells her pups? Sitting there and hoping someone shows? No she needs to advertise. She sounds fine to me. BUT to be sure. Can you post her website on here. So i can go through it and help you determine if she is indeed a good breeder. I want to see her dogs pedigrees and stuff thats why i need the website. Thanks.