Trinitarians: Was Jesus God’s son when they were together in heaven BEFORE he came to earth?


If so, in what sense was he God’s son?

Yes, the Bible shows that Jesus was God’s Son when they were together in heaven *before* he came to earth. Note how Micah 5:2 says that Jesus’ “*ORIGIN* is from of old, from ancient days” – RSV, cf. JB, NEB, REB, NAB, NIV, AT, Mo, NRSV, NJB, Byington, and Young’s.)

(Origin: “a coming into existence” – Webster’s New World Dictionary, 1973.)

Also, the understanding that “Wisdom” in Prov. 8:22-30 is, in reality, figurative of Jesus in his pre-human existence has always existed in the majority of churches that call themselves Christian.

With this in mind, note how even the following TRINITARIAN translations render Prov. 8:22:

1. “The LORD [Jehovah] CREATED me at the beginning of his work” – RSV, and NRSV. (Footnote in NRSV says “Or [created] me as the beginning [of his work].”).

2.”The LORD MADE me…” – MLB

3.”The Lord FORMED me…” – Living Bible.

4. “I was MADE in the very beginning.” – Good News Bible.

5.”Yahweh [Jehovah] CREATED me…” – Jerusalem Bible and NJB.

6.”The LORD CREATED me…” – New English Bible and REB.

7.”Jehovah FRAMED me first” – Byington.

8.”The LORD CREATED me…” – The Reader’s Digest Bible, 1982.

9.”I was the first thing MADE, long ago in the beginning.” – Holy Bible: Easy-to-Read Version, World Bible Translation Center, 1992.

10.”The Eternal [Jehovah] FORMED me first of his creation” – Moffatt.

11.”The Lord MADE me the beginning [arkhe] of his ways for his works” – The Septuagint, Zondervan, 1976.

12.”The LORD CREATED me as the first of his creations” – Holy Bible From the Ancient Eastern Text
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It is quite clear from the responses that you have been receiving that Trinitarians either have no idea as to what you are asking or how to explain how Jesus can be God’s Son while at the same time unexplicably also be God Himself. That is because the Bible simply does not teach that Jesus is God. The Bible unmistakably shows that Jesus is the “only-begotten” Son *OF* God (John 1:18) – the second most important person in the Universe and the only creation directly created by God Himself:

Rev. 3:14 says that Jesus is “the Beginning of the creation of God”. NASB

Col. 1:15 says that Jesus is “the FIRSTBORN of all creation”.

Therefore, because of the Bible’s explanations of this, the designations “Father” and “Son” when attributed to God and Jesus make sense.

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What Does the Bible Say About God and Jesus?
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Jesus was, is and always shall be the Word of God.

1Jo:5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Deity of Jesus Christ
Joh:1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh:1:2: The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh:1:3: All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh:1:14: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Well, the Creed states that Jesus was ‘born of the father before all ages’ so… yes.

Yes. He was in heaven before he came to earth.
I learned in church that if Jesus could have flied from heaven, people would have been scared. He was put in Mary’s womb and conceived so that humans would consider him one of us and not an alien.

Yes.

John 1:1-5
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

@Nolan… I aint trying to be funny man, but seriously you need to learn more about what you believe dude!! Learn your Bible before you answer Theological Questions please man! Because all you are doing is making people think that Christianity is a joke. Read your Bible! Stop listening to whoever is teaching you, because they are teaching you wrong! God be with you and i pray He helps you see the truth!

The simple answer — YES!

John 1:1-3: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

@Elijah- If what you say is true, “That is because the Bible simply does not teach that Jesus is God.” then what do you make of these verses: John 10:29-33:
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.

30I and my Father are one.

31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
(The Jews obviously saw that Jesus was claiming to be God, which is why they picked up stones to stone Him.)

John 8:58 “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” (Here Jesus clearly uses the title reserved only for God Himself, “I AM” the self-existent One.)

It is clear just from these two sources that the Bible DOES plainly show that Jesus was and is fully God and fully man, not a “creation of God.” You are very badly mistaken in your claim that the Bible does not teach that Jesus is God.

O People of the Book(Christians)!
Commit no excesses in your religion:
Nor say of God aught but the truth.
Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him:
so believe in God and His messengers.
Say not “Trinity” : desist:
it will be better for you:
for God is one God:
Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son.
To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth.
And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs. -quran

Yeah, he was god’s son, the holy ghostly guy and himself too! He is eternal and part of some sort of three-in-one, all knowing, all loving, all seeing entity.

Now if you believe that, I have this great bridge in Brooklyn I’d love to show you.

Taoist/Atheist (realist)

No.

Christ did not experience life nor exist prior to His creation in his mother’s womb. After He was crucified and Resurrected, He entered Heaven for the first time to reign as King.

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