ISAIAH 6.8-10 >>> Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying: “Whom shall I send, And who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I! Send me.” And He said, “Go, and tell this people: ‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand; Keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’ “Make the heart…
How do you explain the very specific presence of three distinct personalities at the baptism of Jesus?
How do you explain Stephen’s vision in which, while he was dying, he said that the heavens were opened to him and he saw Jesus standing at the _right hand_ of the Father?
The Jews reject the idea that Isaiah wrote of Jesus.
Jehovah of the Old Testament is the pre-mortal Jesus Christ. But, even though he is the God of the Old Testament (not Elohim, the first Hebrew word in the Old Testament consistently translated into “God”), he was not “the Father” to whom Jesus prayed and taught us to pray. Praying to oneself, asking oneself why oneself has abandoned oneself, asking that his followers become _one_ just as he and the Father are one, all argue against the Trinity.
Isaiah 6:8-10- YHWH(Jehovah/Yahweh is asking who will go up for him and Jesus(the “us” mentioned). Isaiah answers that he will do so. The message Isaiah would preach would be one that most would not want to understand or obey.
John 12:37-41- Jesus Christ who was also sent by Jehovah went to the people, preaching and teaching about God, his (God’s) glory and the Kingdom of God. The response he received fulfilled the words of Isaiah. Most did not believe, listen to or obey him- Isaiah 53:1, 6:10, 1.
Jesus said he was sent by God. The scroll Jesus reads in the temple fulfills Isaiah’s words and show that God sent Jesus. There are two persons mentioned here, not one-Matthew 10:40; Mark 9:37; John 9:4; Luke 4:16-21 compare Isaiah Isaiah 61:1; 42:3; 61:2
They didn’t believe in three Gods in the beginning of the church. You can’t find that sort of belief amongst the apostles. It was after the apostolic age that this theory came in and really became an issue and a cardinal doctrine at the Nicene Council. The doctrine of Godhead caused a two way split at Nicaea. And from that split there came two extremes. One actually went into polytheism, believing in three Gods, and the others went into unitarianism. Of course that was a little while in coming about, but it did, and we have it right today. But the Revelation through John by the Spirit to the churches was, “I am the Lord Jesus Christ, and I am ALL of it. There isn’t any other God”. And He put His seal on this Revelation.
Consider this: Who was the Father of Jesus? Matthew 1:18 says, “She was found with child of the Holy Ghost”. But Jesus, Himself, claimed that God was His Father. God the Father and God the Holy Ghost, as we often express these terms, make the Father and the Spirit ONE. Indeed they are, or else Jesus had two Fathers. But notice that Jesus said that He and His Father were One – not two. That makes ONE God.
Since this is historically and Scripturally true, people wonder where the three came from. It became a foundational doctrine at the Nicene Council in 325 A.D. This trinity (an absolutely un-scriptural word) was based upon the many gods of Rome. The Romans had many gods to whom they prayed. They also prayed to ancestors as mediators. It was just a step to give new names to old gods, so we have saints to make it more Biblical. Thus, instead of Jupiter, Venice, Mars, etc., we have Paul, Peter, Fatima, Christopher, etc., etc. They could not make their pagan religion work out with just one God, so they split Him up into three, and they made intercessors of the saints as they had made intercessors of their ancestors.
Ever since then people have failed to realize that there is just one God with three offices or manifestations. They know there is one God according to Scripture, but they try to make it the fantastic theory that God is like a bunch of grapes; three persons with the same Divinity shared equally by all. But it plainly says here in Revelation that Jesus is “That Which Is”, “That Which Was”, and “That Which Is to Come”. He is the “Alpha and Omega”, which means that He is the “A to Z” or THE ALL OF IT. He is everything – the Almighty. He is the Rose of Sharon, the Lily of the Valley, the Bright and Morning Star, the Righteous Branch, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. He is God, Almighty God. ONE GOD.
I Timothy 3:16 says, “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into Glory”. This is what the Bible says. It doesn’t say a thing about a first or second or third person here. It says God was manifest in flesh. One God. That ONE GOD was manifested in flesh. That ought to settle it. God came in a human form. That didn’t make Him ANOTHER GOD. HE WAS GOD, THE SAME GOD. It was a revelation then, and it is a revelation now. One God.
Mindy, I quite like your questions and your solutions. You are a treasure and such an thought to all actual Christians. You make the reality so handy to realize, but simply as in Jesus’ time, many are as sheep and not using a shepherd. They were misled for goodbye, the deeper matters of God are unimaginable. They hang to the traditions of guys and their “non secular” leaders persuade them to take action. The query you requested undoubtedly proves the trinity doctrine to be fake, but what number of attempted to make mild of it or totally pass over the factor. Like Jesus, we suppose pity in the direction of such ones. We can simplest pray that quickly earlier than the pleasant Day of Jehovah arrives, a few will open their hearts and minds to the reality and switch clear of Christendom and her fake prophets. May our God preserve to bless our efforts to instruct meek ones the Good News of his Kingdom.
To understand the meaning of earthly life and spiritual life according to Christian understanding, we can make a comparison using the computer knowledge.
The Trinity is a network architecture of three nodes, i.e.: The Data Server, represented by God, where there is all wisdom, the Network Server, represented by the Son of God, Lord Jesus Christ and the Stations, represented by human beings (living souls). The interconnection is made through the Network, represented by the Holy Spirit of God. The communication of man to God is through Jesus Christ by obedience the same way as is remotely by login and password. The accesses are made with the protection of “fire wall”, because there are “hackers” and “computer viruses”. The network server is responsible for access and security system, just as can be understood in St. John 14v6.
● John 14v6 ” Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me.
● John 14v11» Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
● John 14v20» In that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
● John 16v13» Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, ‘these’ shall he speak: and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come.
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To answer you, not ALL non-trinitarians deny Christ’s deity. 😉
Prior to His conception in the womb of Mary, Jesus was the Creator God who existed as pure Spirit and periodically manifested Himself to man during the Old Testament days. This same God took on the nature of man through the conception and birth of the man, Jesus of Nazareth. This man is the image of the invisible (Colossians 1:15). To see this man is equal to seeing God (John 14:9). This man is God manifested in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16.) In this sense, Jesus is both God and man, both eternal Spirit and human flesh, both the everlasting Father and the Child who was born (Isaiah 9:6).
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Who denies the deity of Christ? I certainly don’t. Christ is the 2nd member of the Holy Godhead with God the Father at its head and the HOly Ghost a personage of spirit as well. Christ’s position within the Godhead is that of our Savior. He is fully godly, perfect and glorified – He just happens to be a seperate being unto Himself as is the Father, with glorified bodies of flesh & bone.
One can not accept the nonsense of the trinity and still KNOW that Christ is ones Savior & a god Himself. HE is the perfect son of our Heavenly Father.
I am Catholic and believe in the Trinity. I can’t understand why other Christians don’t. Just because the word itself isn’t in the Bible? The Father is in the OT. The Son is in the NT. And the Spirit is in both.
I dont deny his deity. He is part of the godhead. I just dont believe they are one physical being.
There are SO many verses to support their not being of one substance, but of one purpose. And on the other hand, there are just as many ways you can talk your way around it. Ive found it to be a pointless argument every time Ive gone there. The nice thing is, whether God the father and his Son are the same physical being really has nothing to do with salvation. You believe in God (the father) and you believe in God (the son) and his atonement for us. Between their justice and mercy we will find our ways back to them.
The burden of proof is on you. By the way, the ‘Holy Trinity’ didn’t exist until that gathering of bishops in the fourteenth century. There’s nothing about the ‘Trinity’ in the Bible.